- 8y reached 30 nov 2025 race begins 530am nice toll hosakerehalli Congratulations for completing your Half Marathon at SBI Green Marathon S6 – Bangalore in 02:41:54 (provisional timing). For results log on to www.sportstimingsolutions.in post 5pm. View your Badge:img.sportstimingsolutions.in/runner_badges/89858_22558.jpg
- 8y have dutifully come to hal matam for the 4th maasika event for prema ( it is called 2-maasika). will be doing elaborate pinda pradaana. have called 5 guests incl rajani, na2 ( na1 went to office), my viji chikkamma chikkappa, guru maama
- 01/Dec 8z wisprflow.ai speech to text kambangudi pradosham we do not like some aspect of our wife or child’s behavior…do we destroy them completely or help them understand our concern about their behaviour by truly and sincerely helping them become better versions of themselves…? or even better, understand what drives the behaviour perhaps it is a response to our behaviour and maybe we need to reflect and change ourselves…? instead if we resort to verbal, thought or physical violence…do you think it is prudent raama – for someone who has oorified in rituals, i can understand ur outburst. however, i am clear about my desire/wish about my body. i guess there is time, so will def bring my family and relatives to my thinking. pl control ur anger and think calmly. if u feel that a document will help, i will imm sign and give u. but i assume it will take a little bit more time to bring my fam/R around, right? so will not go and declare to them imm about this doc ( which i hv given u for safekeep) but will take my time. if u have any format, pl give me. else i really assume that this whatsapp conversation stream clearly convey my intent wrt my body. hope this settles the topic. so calm down machan. like u, i also come from strong ritualistic roots, but lost my moorings when i became an adult. and it has been that way ever since, and my atheism has only got deeper and deeper. infact ( and perhaps) when i am so,so,so much non-parochial and non-casteist, it really really hurt (perhaps even more than it shud hv) when sundar pulled me up for ( in my view) some harmless mirth. but sorry, am not digressing. as far as my life is concerned, i stand by what i said, raama. no rituals for me / coopra – why dont u just understand that all these symbolisms really mean nothing to me/my symbol against whom i can direct my anger, is not that monstrous napad, is not my dead mom, is not my live spouse.. it is …coopra/i agree fully and sincerely. i am being a hypocrite. bcos i am a coward who cannot offer resistance to this brahmin crowd/- i hv not insulted my parents in any way. every day i think about her and pray. in dmk we dont hv this concept of thithi. we hv “ninaivu naal”. for me, every day is a NN/honest confession – i did all the right things today to show contempt to these rituals. 1. i did not take bath 2. i ate nice breakfast idli vada with poondu saambar on the way to matam 3. i hv taken only a 50 rupee note for dakshina ( prema used to hand me a rs 500 note when she was around) i am forced to do this ritual bcos of constant napad pressure. if anyone has any ideas of how to escape this stupidity ( without upsetting anyone), great. worst to worst, if any more ideas on showing my contempt to the gods, more than welcome/So today is the 25th of November 2025 and it is 8:45 AM. I have just stepped out for my walk with Oreo as usual. I was waiting for Rajini to come back from her vegetable purchase. When Niharika left for office by car, she also took Rajini till the gate, after which Rajini went to her favourite vegetable shop to buy some fresh vegetables. She returned just now and both maids are about to leave. So, I was staying at home to also supervise the maids and now since I am free, I have come out with Oreo. My sleep was reasonably good. I slept between 11:00 PM and 7:00 AM and woke up once for my ablutions. There was noticeable discomfort in the chest area, primarily due to acidity, I think. A very vague kind of dreams and nothing that I can recollect or remember at the moment. After I woke up, I immediately went down to get the three packets of milk which we procure from Akshaya Kalpa and I set about making tea for the three of us, which is myself, Rajini, and Niharika. Niharika said that the tea was good today and we were sitting in the family room, discussing various Sunday issues which included Ashok Mishra and Rashmi Mishra, who is from Lady Shri Ram College of Commerce. This band which had performed on Sunday had a lady by name Malvika, who is also from LSR. So, we got to speaking about DNC sir’s palatial house in Kolkata, which he had sort of given up to encroach us. His father, by the way, was a nuclear physicist and apparently DNC sir does not care too much about money and his sons also do not bother. DNC and Ashok Mishra do not get along with each other because of which Ashok was not called during the IIT Delhi get-together which happened several days back. Olio is here looking back at the house and as usual it does not want to walk and I am trying to pull it forcibly. So, today looks to be one where I would be glued to the computer. I am trying to set up a fluent form which can take entries directly from the browser. I was also playing with Wbiztools and the utility seems to be there a little bit, but I am still not convinced about the need to purchase this tool for a hefty price of seven thousand rupees. Day after tomorrow is the pooja at HAL Mutt. I would need to go today and book it. This is Maasika for Prema, which I need to do. I once again messaged Mohan in the morning about the hundred rupees that he needs to pay me back and he promptly did. Mohan is currently in Thiruvannamalai and he is back by today afternoon. As usual, I am in search of a good CRM tool. Freshsales seems to be the only option sitting in front of me because it is free and it has the ability to upload unlimited contacts and, equally important, one can do wild search which many CRMs do not have the ability to offer. As you know, yesterday I was looking at my SuiteDash product. Privy also seems to be in my outlook. So let me test it a little bit more today. I was looking at some good Black Friday options for CRM but could not spot any except Hefy which is listed in AppSumo. Hefy again might not suit my purpose because it does not offer wild search. ஆ … தேர் ஆர் several அத்தடை பிரசுரம், one of which I have to spoken to last week. I spoke to that lady, we discussed about integration with WhatsApp. Not very convinced about the tool because it is fairly costly even if they offer me a single license. They had been very rigid about it, would still cost me about பதினாலாயிரம் doctor rupees a year, which in my opinion is not required at all. Today I am definitely planning to do our walk or if possible and if my knee permits, run, so that I prime myself up for my upcoming half marathon. I am a bit scared about how I am going to perform in my half marathon. I am talking now with my phone not close to my mouth, so let me see how clearly this part of my talking is also captured. So Rajini has been saying that we need to go to Magnolia for having ice cream, so perhaps we can do it today evening with the kids as well. Today we are going to make a new paneer dish called Methi Madras Paneer with vegetables which have been procured and I am now a bit hungry. At our home, the schedule is like this: those who do not have breakfast, sometimes Rajini and the kids have cornflakes or bread or milk, they make oats for themselves, or Niharika makes some protein shake and usually light kind of breakfast, those three people have. As far as I am concerned, I directly have lunch or brunch as it can also be called. Kumari comes at 9:45 AM usually and prepares food, elaborate food. I normally have my chapathis, little oily, and vegetable which has been prepared in the morning. We finish off our dinner. So half the days I also have protein shake a few minutes before I go to my gym or go for my run. So this is how my eating schedule usually is. One chapathi from yesterday is there, kept on our table, which I think I will have for breakfast now. Usually there is adai in the fridge which Rajini prepares with a mix of vegetables and a little oil and a few condiments, which I use to make roti and then I put it in milk and feed it to Oreo. There is a process which I follow there as well: the roti is dipped in milk and a separate plate is also taken to the same place by our patio, which Oreo fed the morning breakfast. After this, Oreo has its lunch at 1 PM. We give its usual Pedigree curry and by about 6:30 PM, the evening meat. We would have made chicken for Oreo and I split the chicken within thirty minutes of the plate, pick, pick, on eating slowly and Oreo has done by that time
- 8y coopra sats met little mount metro bloom hotel 1100 bill he paid dinner chennai visit rain chrompet samsung sds affectionate discussion
- 01/Dec 8z driving to chennai tomorow morning 4am. hoping to meet coopra ( most probably). bk by saturday evening. agenda = prema pension office plus get na2 bk to blr ( her vacations hv started) @kaca moga u must hv got rr 100 just now. u can transfer bk to me/I went to sleep by about 11 p.m. I woke up in the morning at 8 a.m. only. Sleep was very average. I went to do my potty twice in the night. All kinds of dreams came. Very little bit of stomach pain or chest problem. Manageable. So now at 8 a.m. we’re making tea for all three of them. Then I will relax for some time. I’m pausing this audio now. We’ll be taking Oreo for a walk now at about 8:40. The maid also came just now. Rajali and Niharika are planning to take us all out for a movie. We will probably be seeing 120 Bahadur movie of Ranakar/As of now, I’m hooked to the song “New Heart” by Crash Adams, and a girl named Shubha is freestyling in rap to this particular song. I have been bowled over—lovely piece—and I’ve been listening to this song on Instagram for the last two days. I have come out for my walk with Oreo at 8:45 AM and once again trying to use this particular Letterly app. I will decide how good this app is based on this interaction and then purchase a lifetime version from AppSumo/Yesterday, the management committee of Adarsh Vista had organized tree trunks to be purchased by the residents. Rajani bought two of them, priced at rupees 200 each. We have kept them in front of our house and will be using them as sitting stools. I made tea for all three of them in the morning. I had put the garnishing which Rajani had prepared long back. Niharika found the tea a bit strange because she said it was watery and did not have enough milk/When I went to Chennai this time, I had a meeting with Kuppara Raman. I was free from my meeting at the pension office by 3:30 PM, and when I called him, he was busy, but then he called me back at 7:00 PM as I was about to leave for a mall visit. I decided to skip it and meet him instead. He came to the place of stay, which was Little Mount Metro Station. We met right by the metro parking lot and, after a little bit of debate, decided to walk towards the other side, where it started raining. We went into the first place we could find, which was the Bloom Four Star restaurant and hotel, incidentally right opposite my place of stay, Sai Guesthouse. We went inside. It looked nice and posh and yellow, and we asked for the coffee shop. There was a bare coffee shop on the ground floor in one corner, mostly serving beer and drinks, but we asked if they do coffee and tea and a little bit of snacks. So we sat down in one cozy corner and started generally talking. We spent about an hour or two there, talking about a variety of topics: – One was about the MIT courses which Raman had undertaken, especially with reference to physics and the kind of incisiveness and analytical strength which went into these courses, the kind of exposure which the profs give the students. There was some talk about it for Niharika and Nisha. I told Raman about the question papers being set for Nisha currently at IIT Madras. – The second topic was about the recent occurrence at NAPAD, where my cousin Ashwath is about to get engaged to a girl from the Deva community, the details of which have already been given to Mohan. This is a big scandalous incident currently happening at NAPAD. We once again went through the possibility of this happening to one of our children. I continued to be a bit broad-minded while Raman stuck to his guns. – The third was about Nisha having some fun in her hostel room with her friends with perhaps a couple of pegs of liquor. Raman did not take very kindly to this and his view was that one should not indulge in any alcohol till one passes out of college. I bought his point in half and have promised him that I will discuss this gently with Nisha when the time comes. We also briefly discussed finances, about net worth of people, earnings, wealth and capital protection, and some general thoughts about it. Also covered the event of Raman’s mom’s demise, the trachea problem, the overlooking by the doctor, and that particular kind of thing which happened several years back. Raman was in Chennai for the weekend because there was a meeting scheduled with the MD of Ramaniyan Developers for the Nanganallur flat. He has a 2BHK which he shares with many others, but two of them have taken the lead to meet this developer for redevelopment efforts for the flat. Raman is reporting to a Korean at his company, Samsung SDS. He was wearing the Samsung blue uniform and mentioned that his company was quite technology-focused. There is a new technology term called MCP, which is the current buzzword, some protocol very similar to API, application protocol interface. MCP is the buzzword for AI integration of various software. In fact, the software which I’m using now is also an example of AI. It merges Google Speak along with a documentation app and makes my speech less cluttered and in points. MCP is going to be the future. We discussed that and he compared how devious was vis-a-vis Samsung. Seemed to be quite happy. He had gone to Noida for a day just three days back for a client visit but unfortunately did not have the time to meet up with Sundar. He was staying at Four Seasons or Four Sheraton at Noida. He mentioned his team at Samsung. He works with a team of eight or nine people spread across South India. His role is business development plus a lot of technical analysis with respect to the automotive industry. For example, there are some machine parts which need a particular kind of packaging, load balancing, center of gravity. So technical physics is involved towards suggesting solutions to the customer. He mentioned that there are tools available today where you just input the dimensions or specifications and the tool suggests the kind of packaging and logistics supply chain. Bit of interesting discussion happened there. We had ordered Gobi Manchurian, one filter coffee (which was out of the world), and one more item—I forgot which one. Anyway, three items cost 1,100 rupees and Raman took the entire tab. He refused to let me pay for it. Thank you, Raman, for the treat. After meeting around 7:00 PM, we finally took leave of each other at 9:30. He summoned an auto right by the Bloom. It started raining once again, but the auto was supposed to take him to St. Thomas Mount station or Saidapet station. From there, he would take a metro to Chrompet. The two particulars in Chennai are: Raman’s office is in Alandur and his house is in Chrompet. He has taken a 2BHK on rent from his cousin. Barely furnished apartment, on 15,000 rupees rent or so. He does his own cooking in the morning. He gets up very early in the morning and does his own cooking and leaves for office by 7:30 PM and does not have anything during lunchtime. In the evening he returns and has some kind of snacks from Madras Coffee House or some place. So essentially, he has one proper meal in a day. He takes care of his health that way. Priya at Bengaluru manages the entire affairs of the household very ably and takes care of Gowtham as well/So today is the 22nd of November, 2025. Spent the day by waking up at 8:00 AM, finishing Oreo’s walk, and lazing around for a little time. I was looking at the WordPress offers for Black Friday, and then we decided to go for a movie. Rajani suggested that since Nisha is in town, we can all go for a movie. I paid from my pocket and booked the movie tickets at PVR Phoenix Market City for the 1:00 PM show for a newly released movie called 120 Bahadur, acted by Farhan Akhtar. This movie was released only yesterday, and we got tickets in the ninth or tenth row, four tickets. Till 12:15, we had our tea. The children had some breakfast and I had one veg puff which was already there in the fridge. We took the Innova car and drove to the theater. I was the one who drove to the movie hall. We went through PWD road and the service road of Mahadevapura, reached Ather showroom, took a U-turn, and then straight into Phoenix Market City. While it took only 20 minutes for us to reach the mall, it took another 15 minutes to find a suitable parking spot. Niharika was with me while the other two had moved on to the theater. After parking at an appropriate place—remember that the Innova is a large car—we hurried through the mall and through the escalator to the movie hall. Screen six was where the movie was being played. Seated comfortably. Rajani and Nisha had already purchased a large bowl of caramel popcorn so we kept eating that. I liked the movie a lot, both the first half as well as the second half. There was a lot of emotional connect, and the movie evoked a good deal of patriotic feeling. The war sequences could have been made slightly better but I think overall the movie definitely was impactful. Among the four of us, I was the one who liked the movie the most. We finished the movie at 4:15 PM and rushed back home by 4:30 PM. As soon as we came, Rajani prepared paneer dosa for all of us. I was also helping her in the process. I cut the garlic, I also heated the dal of yesterday and some gravy, and was generally being of assistance cutting tomatoes and stuff like that. We had a couple of paneer dosas each. This was a mix of both lunch as well as dinner for us, and we are done for the day as far as eating is concerned. Followed by this, I made a milky tea for three of us, which is myself, Niharika, and Rajani. Now it is about to be 6:00 PM. So the tea happened and a little bit of watching of the Mahabharata on OTT is also happening. I have stepped out now with Oreo for its evening walk. After this, I plan to just take a rest for a little while, perhaps a few minutes. Following which I want to go for a 15 kilometer walk or run because I have my half marathon looming large on the horizon, one week from now. So this is my story for today. Have a great rest of Sunday. Bye. Take care/So today is 24th of November 2025. I am doing my usual recording while I’m taking Oreo for its 8:30 AM walk. Last evening was boring as usual. We saw a little bit of Mahabharata. I was on my computer for some time. I tried to do a one-hour walk, but actually stepped out of the community, went to the road, and just sat somewhere for about 45 minutes and simply came back, which essentially means that I did not do any walk. I know that I will have a serious problem with my marathon looming large in the next one week. We went to sleep at 10:30 PM. In the morning, we woke up at around 6:45. I had to immediately make tea for Nishani because she was leaving for her exercise and physiotherapy session. Then I made another round of tea for myself because my chest was feeling a little bit heavy. I also made tea for the maid, Lakshmi. Pallavi has dropped in home. She came at 8:15 AM and we chatted a little bit. Apparently, Pramod has done the Malnad Ultra Marathon, which is 30 kilometers in length through plantations. He was coached by Coach K, a famous chap. The best part about Oreo is that it does its stools right next to the dustbin, which makes it very easy for me to pick it up and put it straightaway into the waste paper basket. It’s a nice Monday morning. I had spent about an hour in the morning on chat with the WordPress team. I got my WordPress business plan renewed ’til November 2028. I paid about 6,000 rupees for this. Plus I also renewed the domain, sarv22.com, for a period ’til January 2029. So nearly, they run parallel to each other. I have shut off my concern ’til end of 2028. I hope to be using sarv22.com very intensely. Yesterday, the function at Adyar happened with respect to the engagement of Ashwath, my cousin, with Keerthika Rajavel. There was a bit of a crowd from NAPAD at this function. I spotted GV and Guru, Cheenu and Vimala, Satyanarayan and his wife, Yasu, and the elder brother, Govindarajan, along with their spouses. Murli also was there, probably. Cheenu and Vimala. And from their side, one guy with a blue shirt. I think the brother with his wife and kid, a daughter. An old man wearing a white shirt. The parents, probably, with the father wearing his spectacles very stylishly on his chest. I could see a small house with a TV right in the hall. I think they were exchanging pleasantries and also a couple of plates with fruits and flowers. There seemed to be a good amount of camaraderie. The bride as well as the groom were present. Ashwath and Venu were sitting on the chair. Keerthika was spotted in a couple of photos, wearing a red saree. Apparently things would have gone fine and, as you know, Keerthika is from the Devar community. So it is probably a first at NAPAD where marriage is happening with a huge difference between communities. Anyway, all is well. I’m sure which will end well. I will have to speak to one of my relatives to determine what is the probable date for the marriage. It should be between Feb and March 2026 and would be a nice affair. WordPress was a good action taken by me in the morning. I was looking at a couple of other tools. Since AppSumo has a 10% site-wide deal during Black Friday, WBizTools is an app I’m looking at very seriously. It helps automate WhatsApp messages with an Excel sheet, where you can also schedule the message for later, which means I can possibly send birthday greetings to people across their birthdays through the year using an automated WhatsApp message. That brings me to a close for today morning. I’m back with Oreo at my villa. Let me close this video and go inside. Have a great day, guys. Have a great weekend/It is now 4:50 PM on 24th November 2025, and I am once again on my walk with Oreo. This is the time we normally take Oreo on its evening walk. I do it for about 20 to 25 minutes. During the day, I was generally not very active. Quite a bit of lazing around happened. I was trying a couple of apps on AppSumo. WBizTool was a WhatsApp application which I was trying. It costs $79 with a bit of discount, thanks to Black Friday. I was testing this app out using three numbers and also sent a test message to Raman, scheduled for sometime late tonight. I want to see how well it works. I also looked at Suite Dash, the app which I had purchased quite some time back in the name of sundar@es22.com. I was trying to see if this app loads unlimited contacts, and I was also testing out the search functionality. Unfortunately, the search functionality does not do a wildcard search, so that is a bit of a dampener. I was looking at form creation in this particular app. I was also going through creation of a public URL. I was looking at its file upload limit, project management, and task management. A lot of other features were there, which I think the tool itself is not a bad buy. After a sumptuous lunch, Rajani had made khichdi with chapati and also some basmati rice. We all had lunch together since Pallavi had come. Then Pallavi left by about 12 noon. I handed Oreo’s food at that point of time and then took a little bit of rest. I slept on the downstairs bed for about 20 minutes. At about 3 PM, I woke up Rajani with tea. I had made milky tea using the remnant of the morning tea for all three of us. Then by 3:45 PM, there was a lot of pressure from their side to join them in watching this newly released web series called The Family Man, where there is this comedian Suchitra with Manoj Bajpayee, who is Srikant Tiwari. So watched one full episode of this particular web series. It is about the insurgency in Northeast India and Manoj Bajpayee acts as a spy. The first episode ended by about 4:30 and Nisha kept asking that she wanted to have some bhel puri. Very quickly, through Zepto, Niharika ordered about five or six items and Rajani has started to make bhel puri now. So the plan is to eat the bhel puri along with watching the second episode of The Family Man, after which I would be going on my long walk. I hope to be able to walk at least for two hours today. Let me definitely motivate myself to do that. I am expected to be back home by 8:00 PM since we have a plan to go to Magnolia for ice cream, dessert and stuff like that. So that is how today has been. Oreo did some stools in our backyard. Very unusual for it. This stool was a bit slimy and I had not cleaned it because it was right at the corner of the backyard. Pallavi mentioned that it is better to buy a secondhand elliptical trainer, but I’m not very keen on the idea. She did send me a couple of links with phone numbers to contact for a secondhand elliptical. There was quite a bit of discussion about her friend, the details of which I will not be able to provide because it is very confidential as you all know. Few other general discussions also happened, especially about her pull up and all the fitness activities at her end. Then she had a Rapido to get back home. So that’s how the day was. Repeatedly I kept thinking of Prema. I don’t know, every 30 minutes, something or the other happens which reminds me of Prema. I do not know how to get out of it and how to come out of this quandary. I keep hoping that time is a big healer, but, for example, when I went to the movie yesterday, I was thinking about her, that as soon as I finish the movie, I’m supposed to call my mother to say that things are okay at my end and how are you and stuff like that. Same thing happened when I was in Chennai also. I used to think that I had to call her twice a day from Chennai to make sure that she’s okay. So now I have nobody to call and nobody to speak to. Meanwhile, Sashirekha has been bothering me about the BESCOM and the KEB issue happening at Devon Paradise enclose. She wants me to give a complaint letter to the KEB office at Nagawara, towards the meter correction for the ground floor meter, which means I will have to make a trip to Nagawara shortly. Niharika was supposedly and arguably working from home today, which means for the next four days she would be at office. Nisha was busy for a couple of hours in the afternoon, doing some cold calling. They have an event called Shaastra, which is coming up in the end of December. It is one of the largest tech fests of South India and Nisha is part of the sponsorship and PR team at Shaastra. She is supposed to bring some leads and deals with some kind of sponsorship in kind. So she was targeting small companies, preferably based in Chennai, for sponsorship. We had a little bit of discussion about how to approach prospective clients, what is the spiel that you need to give them, and how to structure e-mails, which could be the first step towards cold calling these people. So that is how the day has panned out for me till now, and I’m hoping that tomorrow becomes a more productive day for me/I spoke to Murali Uncle at five o’clock. I asked him how yesterday’s celebration went. Who all attended? Pathu was there. Vyasu, Govindarajan, and their wives were also present. These three are brothers. Who? The father of this girl. Everyone listens only to the elders. They only follow what the elders say. There was some talk about the wedding happening in the first week of March instead of February. Aravind has gone to Pune. He has bought a car there. Occasionally, he visits Chennai. G.V. and Guru have both returned to Bangalore in the Innova car. Murali is currently in Chennai. Murali mentioned that Arhaan Prasad is studying well. He is scoring high marks in many tests. He is working very hard on his studies. Murali believes good things will happen. Anusha and Anand don’t talk much with Murali. They come in the morning, go to the office, and in the evening, they chat for about ten minutes before getting back to their work. A lot of work has been completed on Anusha’s house. The roof and the walls will be finished quickly, but the wiring is taking a lot of time, he said. Who knows when someone will pass away? Who knows when someone’s end will come? That’s what he said. When I called, he had gone to the Mylapore temple. He spoke a little about Prema. How suddenly her death happened there. Similarly, how your father-in-law and mother-in-law passed away so suddenly/i really want to bring ur attention to this AI. i spoke in simple colloquial thamizh ( hear my video). the app transcribed it in thamizh, then translated it so faithfully to english. pl see the result urself. dont u guys think it is mindblowing
- 8y coopra sent kanimangalam photo very rainy and windy nice office branch there balcony/chairs/tables etc nenmara looks very developed tower and other buildings sunni-mangalam after the cyclone
- 8y hasina did indecent jollu to pretty girl when he went cubbon park sunday morning walk flower show car elephant clock
- 8y was comparing with fellow runner venkatadhri – i dont know him but his tshirt had his name and i was following him thru race. both of us were going together till 15th km almost infact 10.5km i beat him by a second. he was also fat. but he zipped final 3-4 km and came 5 min before me. so my endgame is really bad man. 43 min compared to 35-36 min avg. i get very tired and walk so much during that phase
- 8y split details sbi green marathon 1st 5 in 35 mins, 2nd 5 in 35 min, 3rd 5 in 40 min, 4th 5 in 43 min – reduced from 8.4 to 7.8 kmph
- 8y sportstimingsolutions.in sathish narayanan bib 22558 24155 timing 232/312, gender 209/269 and age gp 40/49-ranking is very dismal if u can see